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Title: Other HIV forums?
Post by: gregftl on September 18, 2010, 04:22:15 pm
Anyone know of any really good HIV forums besides this one?

Thanks
Greg
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: Jeff G on September 18, 2010, 04:35:35 pm
Manhunt
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: jkinatl2 on September 18, 2010, 04:47:46 pm
thebody.com has forums as well, but they are not as well structured and BADLY moderated. This one might well be the best on the web.

Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: skeebo1969 on September 18, 2010, 04:56:54 pm
thebody.com has forums as well, but they are not as well structured and BADLY moderated. This one might well be the best on the web.

Yeah thebody lets people post stuff about being infected while plowing a girl behind a corner store with a 40 ounce in one hand and dealing crack with the other.... that gangsta would prolly have kicked my ass for reals.
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: Rev. Moon on September 18, 2010, 05:06:07 pm
Anyone know of any really good HIV forums besides this one?

Thanks
Greg

I suppose this is goodbye.
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: gregftl on September 18, 2010, 05:27:56 pm
No it's not goodbye it's just rare that someone replies to some of the threads. Esp people from down here where I live. Whenever I ask a question about stuff in florida no one where i live ever responds.
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: weasel on September 18, 2010, 07:54:43 pm


   Hi Greg ,
                You will find that on most sites .

            I know a lot of people  that    " Claim "  to  live in other places rather than

            admit  they live in Missouri  or  Connecticut or where ever they live  :o


                                                                                        Carl
           
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: J.R.E. on September 18, 2010, 08:04:01 pm
Whenever I ask a question about stuff in florida no one where i live ever responds.

Well,  Perhaps some don't have have the answers to all your questions.  I live in Florida,  and don't have all the answers. Why not go to the source, to your ASO for the correct answers to some of your questions.  For medical questions, directly to your doctor.


Ray
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: gregftl on September 18, 2010, 08:15:50 pm
i'm not looking for answers......i'm looking for responses and opinions. that's what forums are for
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: J.R.E. on September 18, 2010, 08:24:59 pm
i'm not looking for answers......i'm looking for responses and opinions. that's what forums are for


You stated right here:


Whenever I ask a question about stuff in florida no one where i live ever responds.

Ray
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: gregftl on September 18, 2010, 08:28:11 pm
yes...i used the word "responds". i didnt say no one ever answers my questions. a response doesnt necessarily mean an answer........

in addition this thread was started just to find out if there are any other hiv boards.............not to debate semantics of wording. your input to this thread is off topic.
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: BT65 on September 18, 2010, 08:36:05 pm
your input to this thread is off topic.

Hey, do not jump on Ray (JRE).  He's one of the kindest, even-tempered persons on these forums.  He's simply replying to what he read the post to mean.
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: J.R.E. on September 18, 2010, 08:39:38 pm
TPAN has forums.  I have no idea how effective they are, or how much participation there is.


http://www.positivelyaware.com/forum/index.php?act=idx


Ray
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: J.R.E. on September 18, 2010, 08:42:52 pm
Hey, do not jump on Ray (JRE).  He's one of the kindest, even-tempered persons on these forums.  He's simply replying to what he read the post to mean.


Kissy kiss !!    :-*
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: numbersguy82 on September 18, 2010, 08:59:45 pm
Hey Greg,
I'm in FL (FTL) also, and while I'm newly diagnosed I have noticed your posts. Usually they are pretty specific about ADAP or Ryan WHite so I haven't had any input. I hope you find a forum which can assist you in the FL related questions you have, but I really hope you stay here and get involved in some of the other posts that are more generalized. We really have an amazingly knowledgable group here and IMO better advice would be hard to find :)
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: jkinatl2 on September 19, 2010, 06:52:18 pm
Is there an ASO nearby? If you are hunting for geographically specific stuff, like funding and getting into ADAP, then that would be a terrific place to start. I am in GA, so I don't think I could be of much help in any specific way.

But it would be a shame to see ya go :)
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: leatherman on September 19, 2010, 07:27:03 pm
But it would be a shame to see ya go :)
No it's not goodbye
the way I read it, gregftl said he wasn't going anywhere, he was just looking for proof that anyone ever read his posts  :D although I bet greg was probably hoping to get some decent responses too.

Sadly, like most of us, we're too scattered about to actually be a ton of help to each other as far as local regulations. Of course, some people don't have access to any ASOs either, and hope to use this site to get the information they need. Oddly enough it took me moving to a location in SC a third of the size of where I used to live for 20 yrs in OH to finally have access to an ASO. Until this last year, this site was my main source of information.
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: J.R.E. on September 19, 2010, 08:20:04 pm


Sadly, like most of us, we're too scattered about to actually be a ton of help to each other as far as local regulations.

And Greg is from Broward county. I am from Pinellas, and it's different like night and day. And as far as the services, or what may be offered county by county. I haven't used the services as Greg has, so I am not familiar with them. So, I guess I am no help either. Except, we do vote, and we can still write our local and state representatives.


Ray
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: leatherman on September 19, 2010, 09:15:56 pm
we can still write our local and state representatives.
glad to hear that, because it sure is needed! ;)

according to the latest ADAP watch that I posted about recently (http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=34447.msg428107#msg428107), Florida is in a heap o' trouble as the state just added another 200+ to their waiting list bringing the total of untreated HIV patients who need medication to over 1700!!

Since there have also been eligibility changes to the Ryan White funds (http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=34419) that greg mentioned in another thread, along with these ADAP troubles, although you don't know the answers to any of his specific questions, I'm sure that greg and others with the same problems in your state are grateful for your letters/calls to the state legislature trying to keep appropriate access to health care and medicines open for them.

Heaven knows, even though I don't use ADAP, I've been fighting these same kind of issues too up here in SC for those that do need help from ADAP, and I wish you the best of luck. ;) Some federal funds recently came through here and cleared up a good portion of our ADAP waiting list but there are still over 100 people waiting for ADAP to help them out. Hopefully something will come through to help down there in FL soon.

Sadly, the latest SC news is that because our legislature underfunded ADAP we run the risk of less federal funds in the future which means we'll probably be having ADAP waiting lists and eligibility changes next year, and the next year, and the next ...  while the numbers of newly diagnosed keeps rising and rising ... sigh!

But I keep writing my senators and reps (both state and federal) and carrying signs at the rallies at the state capital. I'm attending a state conference (http://www.schiv-stdconference.org/) next month (on STDs and HIV) where I'll be meeting up again with the folks from the SC HIV/AIDS Crisis Care Task Force and hopefully they'll have some more ways for me to try to help bring about awareness of and change for this problem.

best wishes and good luck down there, Ray!
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: gregftl on September 19, 2010, 09:25:55 pm
u wuld think though that since broward county has one of the highest populations of hiv in the country we'd see more people on  here from where i live. oh well maybe alot of people with hiv dont do the public forums thing

and u are right leatherman about florida. over 1700 people on the adap waiting list. it's like living back in the 1980's down here. it's barbaric. this state misuses so much of the funding they get. wasteful at the expense of people's lives
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: leatherman on September 19, 2010, 09:55:10 pm
one reason, of course, is access. When you're fighting to keep your housing and getting meds, or even on disability, internet access is a luxury. A lot of people with HIV also have to fight poverty (it's a pretty high 12% in your county) and often times after the basic utilities there just aren't funds for things like cars, cable, internet or even phones.

I myself, receiving disability, have spent months and months at a time over the years without internet access - especially when my gas heating bills would go up to $500+ a month during winter up in OH. A lot of the people that I've met through my new ASO here in SC don't have phones, cars, or the net (or even computers!  :o ) so I only have contact with them at the social events the ASO sponsors.

Also consider that the total amt of people in the US living with AIDS is 470,902 (statehealthfacts.org) and at 9:46pm it says that there are 12,364 members registered here - that's not even 3% of the PLWA, much less when you add in the people only diagnosed HIV+, so there are alot of pozzies in America that you won't find here.
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: gregftl on September 19, 2010, 11:05:30 pm
I always thought that 470,000 number was a low figure. I wonder if they count in to that number the number of people that have hiv that dont even know it
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: leatherman on September 19, 2010, 11:22:10 pm
I always thought that 470,000 number was a low figure. I wonder if they count in to that number the number of people that have hiv that dont even know it
no that's the number of "people living with an AIDS diagnosis". they don't even begin to guess at the total number of HIV positive people. Since most people, with meds and diagnosed early, can go on to live without progressing to AIDS, all places like statehealthfacts.org and individual states can do is report the number of new cases of HIV diagnosed each year. Of course, some people were reported in the HIV+ number and at some point later convert into the living with AIDS number; so, there is no easily discerned number of the total of HIV+ people (with or without being AIDS) living in the states available.
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: Assurbanipal on September 20, 2010, 07:27:00 am


Also consider that the total amt of people in the US living with AIDS is 470,902 (statehealthfacts.org) and at 9:46pm it says that there are 12,364 members registered here - that's not even 3% of the PLWA, much less when you add in the people only diagnosed HIV+, so there are alot of pozzies in America that you won't find here.

Actually its a few orders of magnitude smaller than that.

Not every member is from the US
Many people register and never post or only post once
There's only about 2400 with at least 10 posts -- and lots of them haven't been here in months/years.
And many are from the Am I forums...

Probably the best statistic to use to see how big the forums are if you are trying to get a response to a very specific question is the number of posts per day.  The stats page (http://forums.poz.com/index.php?action=stats) shows 262 posts per day as the average.  


So think of this as a homey place with a person or two from widely scatterd parts of the world.
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: leatherman on September 20, 2010, 10:19:44 am
Actually its a few orders of magnitude smaller than that.
...
So think of this as a homey place with a person or two from widely scatterd parts of the world.
so for "local concerns", this is one of the worst places in which to look for answers; however, if you're in an area with few other infected people, or in an area with no ASO, this is one of the best places to look for answers. LOL it's funny how that catch-22 seems to work. :D
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: gregftl on September 20, 2010, 12:31:32 pm
Yah a good place to discuss topics and maybe with others in your area until a few jerks hijack a thread (my florida ryan white eligibility changes thread) then a moderator punishes everyone else by locking it down and ordering me not to start another thread on the topic. How can you discuss issues when people that dont like u hijack your threads......a moderator sees it then just locks it down and TELLS you not to start another thread on the same topic?
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: MarcoPoz on September 20, 2010, 05:20:17 pm
Yah a good place to discuss topics and maybe with others in your area until a few jerks hijack a thread (my florida ryan white eligibility changes thread) then a moderator punishes everyone else by locking it down and ordering me not to start another thread on the topic. How can you discuss issues when people that dont like u hijack your threads......a moderator sees it then just locks it down and TELLS you not to start another thread on the same topic?

Greg,

I was recently in Orlando at the US Conference on AIDS.  I heard your state AIDS Director discuss Florida's ADAP issues.  Out of about 3,500 people on ADAP waiting lists nationally, Florida has about 1,200.  More than any other state.  I'm sorry.  Your ADAP is not being supported with state funds and it looks like your state isn't pursuing utilization of pharma rebates as well as some other states.  Personally I think they should have taken the recent $20 million in emergency ADAP funding and just given it all to Florida.

Your lack of state contributions and rebates are why your elligibility requirements are getting hosed--they are trying to stretch wht they have to cover.

What can be done?  I'd say a LOT of advocacy by people living with HIV at the state level.  Locally here, we're taking up your fight--know you have support.
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: jkinatl2 on September 20, 2010, 05:34:28 pm
As far as Florida goes, it looks like ADAP is off the menu for the foreseeable future. Maybe, if enough noise is made, the next fiscal year will bring relief. But if you are in line behind over a thousand people, I would not get my hopes up.

Your BEST BET, greg, and maybe your only option other than moving to another state, is to get entrenched with your nearest ASO.

I  would start by Googling Broward County and HIV. If you feel like it, you can join the ranks of their planning committee, and become a part of the solution.

http://www.brhpc.org/HIVPC.aspx

http://www.browardhouse.org/

http://browardchd.org/hiv.aspx


There might be someone able to become your case manager, and work directly with drug companies to help you with medications. It will take legwork on your part, but it might be possible to be HIV positive, need medication, and live in that county. Then again, you have to wrap your head around the possibility that it might not.



Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: Andy Velez on September 20, 2010, 09:36:25 pm
Greg, as I told you earlier today, you could start another thread on the basic topic and cautioned/asked you to avoid inflammatory comments.

So quit your fraber jabber complaining and just stay on target with your subject or else you will end up getting yourself into trouble. It's not a "fair" world so just make the best of it and focus on the basic concern you wanted to raise.  
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: Jody on September 20, 2010, 10:35:30 pm
Hi Greg...I know how easy it is to become a bit frustrated as an HIV+ person, it takes some fortitude and a strong will to live.  I'm glad some of the good folks here took the time to give you not only great advice on how to deal with this emotionally as well as some links to hook you up.  There may be some difficult times ahead, as Andy sagely points out in this usually unfair world, and it is going to require going the extra mile for ourselves and or our loved ones in a tough economy where cutting services for people living with AIDS is "part of difficult fiscal decisions" while other sacred cows are not even on the chopping block, both at the federal and local levels.

There are other web sites for people who are HIV+ but I don't think any of them come close to matching the great ebb and flow of this one right here.  But educating ourselves is most crucial, anywhere you can get an angle and decide for yourself, and all knowledge gained is great power.

Jody
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: Hellraiser on September 20, 2010, 11:47:12 pm
You could always lie about being a resident of Georgia or something if you know someone there who could vouch for you living at their address.  Since you cannot prove your residency though you would have to most likely some form of legal document stating that you live in state X.
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: Dachshund on September 21, 2010, 08:12:02 am
You could always lie about being a resident of Georgia or something if you know someone there who could vouch for you living at their address.  Since you cannot prove your residency though you would have to most likely some form of legal document stating that you live in state X.

That would make him an illegal immigrant and you corn pone crusaders would have a hissy fit.
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: Florida69 on September 21, 2010, 10:15:30 am
Yah a good place to discuss topics and maybe with others in your area until a few jerks hijack a thread (my florida ryan white eligibility changes thread) then a moderator punishes everyone else by locking it down and ordering me not to start another thread on the topic. How can you discuss issues when people that dont like u hijack your threads......a moderator sees it then just locks it down and TELLS you not to start another thread on the same topic?

Unfortunately, it is the nature of the beast.  It can be frustrating.  Something else that has helped is trying to find a group in your area that deals with some of the same concerns as you have. 

Greg, as I told you earlier today, you could start another thread on the basic topic and cautioned/asked you to avoid inflammatory comments. So quit your fraber jabber complaining and just stay on target with your subject or else you will end up getting yourself into trouble. It's not a "fair" world so just make the best of it and focus on the basic concern you wanted to raise.   
It is true life is not fair, be careful, I have seen members be banned for such, there are instances where they allow a member back, but I think that is only for special people.   

My advice is to be simple and to the point, try to stay on topic and the members that you don’t get along with or the ones that hijack your thread on a normal basis simply put them on ignore.  Good luck to you, D
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: Hellraiser on September 21, 2010, 02:42:26 pm
That would make him an illegal immigrant and you corn pone crusaders would have a hissy fit.

I like how you never add anything meaningful to a conversation aside from the nastiness you seem to so lovingly interject in every discussion.  I would tactfully tell you what you could do to yourself and where but I generally find it's easier to ignore people that I detest.
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: Dachshund on September 21, 2010, 03:05:34 pm
I like how you never add anything meaningful to a conversation aside from the nastiness you seem to so lovingly interject in every discussion.  I would tactfully tell you what you could do to yourself and where but I generally find it's easier to ignore people that I detest.

You're quite the wordsmith Mary. You're the first to squawk about your rights and the first to trample on the rights of others. It's called hypocrisy.
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: gregftl on September 21, 2010, 03:36:05 pm
Dachsund, just another thread hijacker/troublemaker. Looked at his profile he's blocked/ignored by 12 people. Geesh I wonder why
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: Dachshund on September 21, 2010, 03:50:56 pm
Dachsund, just another thread hijacker/troublemaker. Looked at his profile he's blocked/ignored by 12 people. Geesh I wonder why

Please make it thirteen. Here's a thought. Instead of bitching why don't you do something about it? Many of us on ADAP/Ryan White volunteer and work at our local ASO. Not only will you give something back to the community you just might learn something in the process. However I wouldn't follow the advice of what's his face and lie to try and receive services.
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: BT65 on September 21, 2010, 04:24:47 pm
Dachsund, just another thread hijacker/troublemaker. Looked at his profile he's blocked/ignored by 12 people. Geesh I wonder why

Most people don't like Aunty D (Dachsund) for one simple reason-he can smell bullshit, and isn't afraid to call people on it.
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: jkinatl2 on September 21, 2010, 04:50:59 pm
I offered some suggestions. I am sorry they did not meet your needs.

Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: anniebc on September 21, 2010, 05:15:40 pm
Dachsund, just another thread hijacker/troublemaker. Looked at his profile he's blocked/ignored by 12 people. Geesh I wonder why

BT beat me to it..but it's worth repeating..Dach shoots straight from the hip and some people (not pointing any fingers) can't take the honest truth...quite simple when you think about it.

I know who's advice I would take..certainly not the one sitting on his backside complaining about things.
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: leatherman on September 21, 2010, 05:50:14 pm
I offered some suggestions. I am sorry they did not meet your needs.
please show me a link as to where the OP said your suggestions did not meet his meets. And please don't reference Andy's post, as it was 6.5 hrs after he spoke with Greg in another thread (http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=34419.msg428534). Quite frankly, I don't know why Andy waited so long, and basically cross posted over in this thread. Perhaps Andy just read the other thread before this one, and didn't pay any attention to the drastic time difference to see when Greg has posted his complaints. Earlier in this thread, JK, you misconstrued another one of Greg's posting and portrayed him as leaving this site (reply #14) and that was incorrect also.

However, it seems that some of us are just not as enamoured of Dachshund as some of the rest of y'all are. Personally, he has been offensive to me numerous times and I have often pointed out how few of Dachshund's posts are ever nice or helpful as they are often biting and laced with malice.

Since it's obviously allowed (until this thread gets locks too) for some members to gang up against other members, I will speak out in Trey and Greg's behalf too.

I wrote the next part of this post earlier but believed it was incorrect to post and start a problem. However, since long time members and even ex-moderators have joined the fray and already started the problem by going off-topic, I have changed my mind and think this is worth publicly posting.
I like how you never add anything meaningful to a conversation aside from the nastiness you seem to so lovingly interject in every discussion.
we need a "like" button like they have on FaceBook, because that comment deserves it. ;)

Here's a thought. Instead of bitching why don't you do something about it. Many of us on ADAP/Ryan White volunteer and work at our local ASO. Not only will you give something back to the community you just might learn something in the process.
you could have helped the situation/topic along much more by just suggesting that people volunteer. Although in this thread that has already been suggested and in much nicer terms. As the advice came in over just this weekend, it's not like Greg has time to follow up on much of anyone's advice yet. You could have left out the "corn pone", "squawk" "hissy fit" and "hypocrisy" jibes at other members. Instead, by choosing vinegar over honey, no one wants to listen to your nastiness and whatever point you were trying has gotten lost in the ether and in this off-topic arguement which you brought into this thread. So I'm really left, as usual with your posts, wondering why you even bothered to comment. Surely you realized your hateful, catty attitude as evidenced in your postings would make people not pay attention to whatever advice you thought you had to offer.

I would have preferred to have written this to you in a PM; but a long time ago after you wrote me a vitriolic PM, you blocked anything back from me. Since the other guys are just kinda bitching back at you, I thought I'd try to explain why your attitude really puts some of us off and causes these "squabbles" to break out, and your points to be lost in the fray.
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: allanq on September 21, 2010, 05:55:04 pm
Try the Yahoo group PozHealth.

I’m not saying it’s better than AIDSmeds. It’s just a different group that has often provided me with useful information. The group is closely moderated by its founder. Some people dislike this because they feel it suppresses points of view that differ from the moderator’s. However, it does keep the discussions focused.
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: BT65 on September 21, 2010, 06:05:41 pm
leather, whether or not you like Hal's posts, he brings out pretty good points, as usual:  1) don't try to say you live somewhere when, in reality, that's not true; and 2) volunteer, it's always appreciated.

There was only offense taken, because someone got called on their b.s.  Some people don't like that.
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: Dachshund on September 21, 2010, 06:10:09 pm
please show me a link as to where the OP said your suggestions did not meet his meets. And please don't reference Andy's post, as it was 6.5 hrs after he spoke with Greg in another thread (http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=34419.msg428534). Quite frankly, I don't know why Andy waited so long, and basically cross posted over in this thread. Perhaps Andy just read the other thread before this one, and didn't pay any attention to the drastic time difference to see when Greg has posted his complaints. Earlier in this thread, JK, you misconstrued another one of Greg's posting and portrayed him as leaving this site (reply #14) and that was incorrect also.

However, it seems that some of us are just not as enamoured of Dachshund as some of the rest of y'all are. Personally, he has been offensive to me numerous times and I have often pointed out how few of Dachshund's posts are ever nice or helpful as they are often biting and laced with malice.

Since it's obviously allowed (until this thread gets locks too) for some members to gang up against other members, I will speak out in Trey and Greg's behalf too.

I wrote the next part of this post earlier but believed it was incorrect to post and start a problem. However, since long time members and even ex-moderators have joined the fray and already started the problem by going off-topic, I have changed my mind and think this is worth publicly posting.we need a "like" button like they have on FaceBook, because that comment deserves it. ;)
you could have helped the situation/topic along much more by just suggesting that people volunteer. Although in this thread that has already been suggested and in much nicer terms. As the advice came in over just this weekend, it's not like Greg has time to follow up on much of anyone's advice yet. You could have left out the "corn pone", "squawk" "hissy fit" and "hypocrisy" jibes at other members. Instead, by choosing vinegar over honey, no one wants to listen to your nastiness and whatever point you were trying has gotten lost in the ether and in this off-topic arguement which you brought into this thread. So I'm really left, as usual with your posts, wondering why you even bothered to comment. Surely you realized your hateful, catty attitude as evidenced in your postings would make people not pay attention to whatever advice you thought you had to offer.

I would have preferred to have written this to you in a PM; but a long time ago after you wrote me a vitriolic PM, you blocked anything back from me. Since the other guys are just kinda bitching back at you, I thought I'd try to explain why your attitude really puts some of us off and causes these "squabbles" to break out, and your points to be lost in the fray.

You know leatherman I don't give a shit what you think. You sir are nothing short of pathological. I blocked your PM privileges after responding to a nasty unsolicited PM you sent me. You lie at your convenience, nothing more. My "nastiness" as you call it is a result of reading your racist, misogynist posts over the years. Pointing out in each post your detestable view of women and minorities. The lowest being when you actually said your two ex lovers died because they didn't get meds because of illegal aliens. When I pointed out your second dead lover didn't even know he was positive until he was diagnosed in the hospital you admitted as much. It's all out there for all to see. The reason why you try to change the subject and attack me is you know it's true. We all know it's true and that's what makes you bitter, not me.
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: Dachshund on September 21, 2010, 06:28:59 pm
Oh and that ex moderator you're denigrating, let's put up a poll and see whose opinion is valued, leatherman or Jan's.
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: Rev. Moon on September 21, 2010, 07:03:07 pm
Oh and that ex moderator you're denigrating, let's put up a poll and see whose opinion is valued, leatherman or Jan's.

I love Jan in a way that words can't describe.  Will take her any day before having to ever deal with 1/25th of mr. uppity who thinks that everything gets fixed with a damned emoticon, and who can't even write properly--I suppose this is what happens when you speak "American" instead of English:

Since it's obviously allowed (until this thread gets locks too)

So go ahead and start your own little gang of haters Mr. Leatherman.  I'm sick and tired of you and your minions taking on Doxie, Philicia, Matty, Jan, Betty, Jonathan or anyone that I actually care about.  You sir stopped having any significance for me the day that you showed your true colors about people of color.  That is one thing I simply cannot tolerate or forgive, no matter how many smiley faces you add to your six page irrelevant replies.

Feel free to ignore me for all I care.
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: leatherman on September 21, 2010, 07:03:48 pm
My "nastiness" as you call it is a result of reading your racist, misogynist posts over the years. Pointing out in each post your detestable view of women and minorities. The lowest being when you actually said your two ex lovers died because they didn't get meds because of illegal aliens.
good lord :o so I called Natlie Soleman, 2 yrs ago, a breeder because she used artifical means to produce 8 children. aren't you ever going to give that a rest?! Especially, when you have posted the "breeder" word yourself as something to laugh about.
Back off breeder! ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_pT07DlB_Y

The lowest being when you actually said your two ex lovers died because they didn't get meds because of illegal aliens.
boy is that ever a crazy reading of whatever I've written. I'd love to see that stated in my words, not your interpertaion, if you could provide the link, or give me a date to look for. The people that know me, sure know that statement is off the wall. ::) ::) one partner died in 94 when there was only AZT so no illegal aliens where in that mix, and the other died in 08 as I was applying for SS for him in OH, and he didn't even hardly take but two weeks worth of anti-HIV meds cause the cancer killed him, so no illegals in that mix. You are very badly mistaken or you are thinking of someone else.

Oh and that ex moderator you're denigrating, let's put up a poll and see whose opinion is valued, leatherman or Jan's.
see that's the problem. Not all of us agree here. Quite frankly there is a clique of people here that constantly gang up on other members, running them off, getting threads locked, and just plain being hateful.

I'd actually like Jan to come back in and explain who she meant by the person "sitting on their backside complaining". If she means Greg, the member who started this thread looking for guidance, assistance and suggestions, then she's way outta line. Greg claimed he wasn't getting response or local assistance from this site and wondered if there were other forums to check into. That certainly is not complaining, that's requesting more support and something I thought this site was here for.
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: leatherman on September 21, 2010, 07:05:47 pm
I'm sick and tired of you and your minions taking on Doxie, Philicia, Matty, Jan, Betty, Jonathan or anyone that I actually care about.  You sir stopped having any significance to me the day that you showed your true colors about people of color.
another bit of lunacy. ::) I am not a racist; but I have issues with illegal immigrants in my country.

I'm sick and tired of you and your minions of Doxie, Matty, Betty, Jonathan fucking with me all the time, so we're even.
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: Rev. Moon on September 21, 2010, 07:07:19 pm
another bit of lunacy. ::) I am not a racist; but I have issues with illegal immigrants in my country.

I'm sick and tired of you and your minions of Doxie, Matty, Betty, Jonathan fucking with me all the time, so we're even.

Whatever.  Be blessed.
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: Miss Philicia on September 21, 2010, 07:07:50 pm

I'm sick and tired of you and your minions of Doxie, Matty, Betty, Jonathan fucking with me all the time, so we're even.

What am I?  Chopped philicialiver?  :) ;) :D ;D >:( :( :o 8)
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: Rev. Moon on September 21, 2010, 07:11:16 pm
What am I?  Chopped philicialiver?  :) ;) :D ;D >:( :( :o 8)

He still thinks that you can be BFF's.  One day you'll braid each other's hair.
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: leatherman on September 21, 2010, 07:11:26 pm
What am I?  Chopped philicialiver?  :) ;) :D ;D >:( :( :o 8)
no. although you and I have issues at times, you're not as hateful as those others I mentioned. I left Jan off the list for the same reason. Although I have had run ins with her (like with you), both of y'all have always been fairly civil and played nicely later. (and you've used emoticons multiple times today!  ;D)

if you want to be included with the people I don't like, I would be rather sad :'(, but you can go play with them if you feel you should take sides in this silliness.
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: Rev. Moon on September 21, 2010, 07:15:12 pm
I'm sick and tired of you and your minions of Doxie, Matty, Betty, Jonathan fucking with me all the time, so we're even.


And for the record I have never "fucked with you." Feel free to show evidence of your inaccurate statement. I dislike you far too much to spend any energy on it.
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: WillyWump on September 21, 2010, 07:15:57 pm
What am I?  Chopped philicialiver?  :) ;) :D ;D >:( :( :o 8)

 :D ;D :D 8) :D
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: leatherman on September 21, 2010, 07:17:39 pm
And for the record I have never "fucked with you."
I am one of many people who you have falsely labeled as a racist

go find the links youself, i'm busy putting dinner together here. :D
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: Matty the Damned on September 21, 2010, 07:24:07 pm
another bit of lunacy. ::) I am not a racist; but I have issues with illegal immigrants in my country.

I'm sick and tired of you and your minions of Doxie, Matty, Betty, Jonathan fucking with me all the time, so we're even.

Gee Mikey, you should clean the shit out of your eyes. I've not posted in this thread. Until now, of course. That's the problem with taking my name in vain. I get all Old Testament about it.

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Greg, the member who started this thread looking for guidance, assistance and suggestions, then she's way outta line. Greg claimed he wasn't getting response or local assistance from this site and wondered if there were other forums to check into. That certainly is not complaining, that's requesting more support and something I thought this site was here for.

Greg started this thread as a passive-aggressive hissy fit. His previous one crashed and burned because he carried on like some malcontent at a teabaggers' rally, so this is his way of letting the rest of us know his pretty little nose is all outta joint.

And you, seeing yet another opportunity to whine about how mean people are to you, couldn't resist stepping in to stir the shit.

Which is fine by me, babe. You stir all you want.

Most of the time you're just vague background noise as far as I'm concerned. Your vapid asides and asinine prattle combined with a redneck's sense of entitlement are usually things I just skim over as I seek out the posts of substance and wit.

But you can hardly complain when you get clobbered by those you're provoking. You're just reaping what you sew.

MtD
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: Rev. Moon on September 21, 2010, 07:32:46 pm
I am one of many people who you have falsely labeled as a racist

go find the links youself, i'm busy putting dinner together here. :D

Yes, you are one of very few people in here whom I have labeled as prejudiced against immigrants (if you need further clarification as to how this qualifies as racism then feel free to google it, since the two of you are such good friends).  I will not deny that I see you as such.  The good thing about being just as American as you are is having the freedom to express how I feel.  Other than that I have never bothered to attack you; for that I don't need to go looking for any links.

So, again, be blessed and enjoy your dinner  ;D :D ;) 8) :)
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: leatherman on September 21, 2010, 07:33:56 pm
Gee Mikey, you should clean the shit out of your eyes. I've not posted in this thread.
excuse me, you are quite wrong in accusing me on this one. I did not bring up your name. You'll have to take that up with your supposed (well, he thinks he is obviously) friend Rev Moon back in reply #45. I just copied, pasted, and deleted a few names.

Most of the time you're just vague background noise as far as I'm concerned. Your vapid asides and asinine prattle combined with a redneck's sense of entitlement are usually things I just skim over as I seek out the posts of substance and wit.
then why in heaven's name are you badgering me in this thread? I'll repeat, I didn't bring up your name. Besides We were doing quite fine in the other thread where I called you on the carpet for pulling up a quote to defend emoticons after giving me grief over emoticons in the past.

also I resent your jibe of calling me a redneck. I have not called you any derogatory names, yet you constantly assault members this way, often claiming it to be sarcastic or humorous, and get away with it. It's a shame.

Gee Mikey,
and I use "Mikie" pronounced "mike - e" not Mickey as pronounced in the Toni Basil tune.
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: leatherman on September 21, 2010, 07:36:21 pm
Yes, you are one of very few people in here whom I have labeled as prejudiced against immigrants (if you need further clarification as to how this qualifies as racism then feel free to google it, since the two of you are such good friends).  I will not deny that I see you as such.  The good thing about being just as American as you are is having the freedom to express how I feel.  Other than that I have never bothered to attack you; for that I don't need to go looking for any links.
whom are you speaking about? where are the links where I spew racist BS? and calling me a racist is an attack
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: Rev. Moon on September 21, 2010, 07:43:50 pm
whom are you speaking about? where are the links where I spew racist BS? and calling me a racist is an attack

Who am I speaking of?  You evidently have issues with dative pronouns.

Calling you prejudiced is hurtful?  Then feel free to report it.  We all know how much you love to click on that "report to mod" button.

I have no more to say to you.  If you need examples of the ugly comments that you've made in the past then you need to look them up yourself.  Oh, but be careful, your dinner is getting burnt.
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: Matty the Damned on September 21, 2010, 07:45:35 pm
excuse me, you are quite wrong in accusing me on this one. I did not bring up your name. You'll have to take that up with your supposed (well, he thinks he is obviously) friend Rev Moon back in reply #45. I just copied, pasted, and deleted a few names.

I'm reliably informed that Reverend Moon thinks I'm a complete cunt.

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then why in heaven's name are you badgering me in this thread? I'll repeat, I didn't bring up your name. Besides We were doing quite fine in the other thread where I called you on the carpet for pulling up a quote to defend emoticons after giving me grief over emoticons in the past.

Yairs. Your Parkeresque take down of me in that thread was so devastating I needed a little rest. I'm not sure I'll ever quite recover from that. You should consider penning incisive commentary for The New Yorker. Perhaps they can title your column Musings from the Double Wide?

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also I resent your jibe of calling me a redneck. I have not called you any derogatory names, yet you constantly assault members this way, often claiming it to be sarcastic or humorous, and get away with it. It's a shame.

Well actually I didn't call you a "redneck", I just noted your contributions embody many of the traits associated with that stereotype. But if you feel all resentful about it then so be it. I'll continue to sleep the sleep of the just.

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and I use "Mikie" pronounced "mike - e" not Mickey as pronounced in the Toni Basil tune.

Just like those fat white chicks who spell their kid's names "Ryalee", "Krystal", "Destinee" and "Breeannah" eh?

You take care now.

MtD
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: leatherman on September 21, 2010, 07:48:55 pm
If you need examples of the ugly comments that you've made in the past then you need to look them up yourself.
saying that I have made, what you consider to be, racist remarks, yet not showing proof is where you argument falters. I could just as easily say that I've read (which I haven't) posts where you discuss engaging in bestiality - but that's not proof now is it?
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: Dachshund on September 21, 2010, 07:53:10 pm
Look everyone can see through leather's faux fur. I never mentioned his name in this thread and yet he uses it to attack me. He conveniently forgets to mention that he sent me an unsolicited PM (I've never initiated a PM to this guy and never would) I responded and then put him on block. He tries to suggest to our gentle readers that I sent him a PM out of the blue, which is a lie and he knows it. That to me is pathological. In reality I rarely read or respond to his posts because quite frankly they bore me to tears. You read one and you've read them all. So nurse that persecution complex dear with all the passive aggressive fervor you can muster. :-*
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: leatherman on September 21, 2010, 07:56:10 pm
I'm reliably informed that Reverend Moon thinks I'm a complete cunt.
au contraire! you have been misinformed or else you must think Rev Moon is lying in this thread, as he clearly list you in the group of people that he cares about.
I'm sick and tired of you and your minions taking on Doxie, Philicia, Matty, Jan, Betty, Jonathan or anyone that I actually care about.

Well actually I didn't call you a "redneck", I just noted your contributions embody many of the traits associated with that stereotype.
no, you are quite wiley about that. you often refer to people actions, thoughts or posts as "ignorant" or "racist" or in the case using "redneck" as the pejorative without ever calling another member the actual derogatory name, but it all adds up to the same thing.
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: Matty the Damned on September 21, 2010, 07:59:49 pm
no, you are quite wiley about that. you often refer to people actions, thoughts or posts as "ignorant" or "racist" or in the case using "redneck" as the pejorative without ever calling another member the actual derogatory name, but it all adds up to the same thing.

Not wiley at all, I focus on the comments made not the person making them. Entirely proper forum ettiquette. :)

If you don't like having your ignorant opinions critiqued, perhaps you should keep them to yourself?

MtD
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: leatherman on September 21, 2010, 08:00:31 pm
I never mentioned his name in this thread and yet he uses it to attack me.
except in replies 43 and 44 when you speak to me or about me using my moniker of leatherman.  ::)

You know leatherman I don't give a shit what you think.
see whose opinion is valued, leatherman or Jan's.
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: leatherman on September 21, 2010, 08:03:58 pm
I focus on the comments made not the person making them.
bullshit. calling someone's comments ignorant or racist implies that you consider that person to be ignorant or a racist. you're splitting hairs and constantly get away with being rude to other members by hidiing behind syntax.
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: Matty the Damned on September 21, 2010, 08:07:38 pm
bullshit. calling someone's comments ignorant or racist implies that you consider that person to be ignorant or a racist. you're splitting hairs and constantly get away with being rude to other members by hidiing behind syntax.

Now, now Mikey, I don't think there's any need to resort to profanity. Such foul words coming from such a pretty mouth are so unbecoming, don't you think?

You should probably trot along to the kitchen and make sure your chitlins haven't boiled over. We wouldn't want you to spoil your vittels. :)

MtD
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: Dachshund on September 21, 2010, 08:08:01 pm
except in replies 43 and 44 when you speak to me or about me using my moniker of leatherman.  ::)


There's something wrong with you.
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: leatherman on September 21, 2010, 08:20:26 pm
You should probably trot along to the kitchen and make sure your chitlins haven't boiled over. We wouldn't want you to spoil your vittels. :)
ick! chitlins!! :P
dinner was spaghetti with homemade sauce (made using veggies I grew in the garden this summer), along with a salad (veggies from the grocery store as the heat and drought did in most of the garden a few weeks ago). What I didn't want to burn were the lemon bars baking in the oven. Now I have to wait hours while they cool. sigh! but I'll have one (or two or three LOL) before going to bed tonight.
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: jkinatl2 on September 21, 2010, 08:51:02 pm
Is there an ASO nearby? If you are hunting for geographically specific stuff, like funding and getting into ADAP, then that would be a terrific place to start. I am in GA, so I don't think I could be of much help in any specific way.

But it would be a shame to see ya go :)
As far as Florida goes, it looks like ADAP is off the menu for the foreseeable future. Maybe, if enough noise is made, the next fiscal year will bring relief. But if you are in line behind over a thousand people, I would not get my hopes up.

Your BEST BET, greg, and maybe your only option other than moving to another state, is to get entrenched with your nearest ASO.

I  would start by Googling Broward County and HIV. If you feel like it, you can join the ranks of their planning committee, and become a part of the solution.

http://www.brhpc.org/HIVPC.aspx

http://www.browardhouse.org/

http://browardchd.org/hiv.aspx


There might be someone able to become your case manager, and work directly with drug companies to help you with medications. It will take legwork on your part, but it might be possible to be HIV positive, need medication, and live in that county. Then again, you have to wrap your head around the possibility that it might not.


This, combined with the suggestion to volunteer at a local ASO offered in the ADAP Thread ( which was locked ) was what I was referencing. I absolutely do not understand your hostility. It does not further the conversation. If you wish to complain about the problem of civility, then the least you could do is utilize aforementioned civility.

I know you and I have butted heads in the past, but this thread is not about you or I. It is about Gregfl, and his need for services in Broward County, Florida. I promise to make every effort to stay on point if you can do the same.

However, as I have offered all of the information and links that I found in a cursory search, including the link to Broward County's ASO, I respectfully withdraw from this contentious discussion.

Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: jkinatl2 on September 21, 2010, 09:06:01 pm
another bit of lunacy. ::) I am not a racist; but I have issues with illegal immigrants in my country.

I'm sick and tired of you and your minions of Doxie, Matty, Betty, Jonathan fucking with me all the time, so we're even.

I have engaged you directly once. Thrice, if you count this thread. I have never fucked with you. I do not fuck with people. I highly resent that assertion, and am frankly tired of the combative nature that threads into which you are involved frequently disintegrate.

Sorry to re-introduce myself into a conversation I exited a few minutes ago. I was appalled by your accusation, and felt the need to clear the air and my name.

Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: leatherman on September 21, 2010, 09:12:49 pm
This, combined with the suggestion to volunteer at a local ASO offered in the ADAP Thread ( which was locked ) was what I was referencing.
I offered some suggestions. I am sorry they did not meet your needs.
I don't dispute your suggestions. However you're suggestions were made on the weekend when Greg could have done nothing to follow those suggestions. Then before he even returned to this thread you assumed your suggestions did not meet his needs. Just like you implied that he was leaving because he inquired about other venues of information, you implied he ignored or didn't use your suggestions because he sure didn't come back and say that your suggestions didn't work.
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: leatherman on September 21, 2010, 09:17:02 pm
I have engaged you directly once. Thrice, if you count this thread. I have never fucked with you.
"butted heads", "fucked with". you say tomato, i say tomato ;) especially in the hate of an argument.

however, I will point out that Rev Moon is the one who made that listing of names and put all of y'all into a gang (a cabal if you will LOL). As your constant assuming of Greg's intentions, it just seemed to me that you truly were part of "that crowd" too. I'm sorry to have paid attention to Rev Moon's comments in the middle of dealing with a gang of members this afternoon/evening. However with our previous event of "butting head", I wrongly assumed that because you were named that you truly were part of that group.
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: Matty the Damned on September 21, 2010, 09:42:00 pm
"butted heads", "fucked with". you say tomato, i say tomato ;) especially in the hate of an argument.

however, I will point out that Rev Moon is the one who made that listing of names and put all of y'all into a gang (a cabal if you will LOL). As your constant assuming of Greg's intentions, it just seemed to me that you truly were part of "that crowd" too. I'm sorry to have paid attention to Rev Moon's comments in the middle of dealing with a gang of members this afternoon/evening. However with our previous event of "butting head", I wrongly assumed that because you were named that you truly were part of that group.

A cabal? You need to unsubscribe from that Lyndon LaRouche mailing list, Mikey. It's making you paranoid and weird.

MtD
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: Tim Horn on September 21, 2010, 09:44:38 pm
I don't know what's gotten in to you guys, but this whole thread wreaks of bitchiness and condescension. I'm tempted to delete the whole damn thread out of embarrassment for the Forums.

All of you guys need to chill out and either start treating each other with respect or find somewhere else to sharpen your claws.    

This one's locked down -- and don't even think about starting a new thread to continue this totally pointless feuding.
Title: Re: Other HIV forums?
Post by: Andy Velez on September 22, 2010, 09:15:35 pm
Peeps, I am not going to say this to anyone in particular. Just as a general request, stop the squabbling. Clearly someone must have peed into the Kool Aid because there is so much snapping and snarking going on.

No pun intended, Kool it! Or there are going to be a bunch of Time Outs handed out.

You don't have to like each other and I can say with confidence some of you never will, but stop the nasty stuff. And not only in this thread but in all of 'em as a lot of this has been erupting in other threads as well.