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Title: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: thunter34 on July 05, 2011, 02:30:14 pm
WTF?  I am stunned.  Her parents left the courtroom without even going over to see her after the verdict was read. 

Astonishing.  No murder charge, no child abuse, no manslaughter.  Nada.

All she faces is "lying to cops".  She already has 3 years of jail time under her belt for those.

Wow.
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: wolfter on July 05, 2011, 02:46:31 pm
My poor mother has been following this case way too closely.  She is upset right now.  We just came back from town and she was sitting there almost distraught and I expected some horrible news like my granny passed or something.  She was constantly trying to update me on every detail and I just didn't care enough. 

Oh yeah, wonder how hopey feels?  He's been an avid follower too.

for their sakes, we can just hope for another high profile murder case soon.

Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: Miss Philicia on July 05, 2011, 02:55:52 pm
I don't even have any idea what this trial is about or who this person is.
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: thunter34 on July 05, 2011, 03:26:26 pm
I don't even have any idea what this trial is about or who this person is.

= living under rock.
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: Miss Philicia on July 05, 2011, 03:33:10 pm
= living under rock.

No, I just change the channel when I see drivel like that. I was waiting last week to see the Duchess of Cambridge come off the plane in Canada and all they kept showing was this dumb trial so I turned the sound down low.

I never watched O.J.'s trial either!
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: thunter34 on July 05, 2011, 03:36:59 pm
Anyone who posts Countess Luann should use care bandying the word "drivel".

 :P

I appreciate your sentiment.  I just happened upon this one since before it even was national news (which was almost imediate).

This was one of the most outrageous defense arguments I've ever heard...but it worked.
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: AlanBama on July 05, 2011, 04:48:58 pm
The jury must have been watching a different trial than the one I watched....

a mountain of evidence....no other 'suspects' or even any other plausible death theories....yet she walks free.

Lots of loving gay couples cannot adopt kids, but this bitch can kill hers and walk scot free....  What is wrong with this picture?
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: phildinftlaudy on July 05, 2011, 06:17:55 pm
If it could happen anywhere it would have to be here in Florida -
we can't get elections right, verdicts right, ADAP right

'if it wasn't for the ocean and beautiful weather there really would be no reason to live here -

sickening that she got off scott free - and absolutely no one accountable for the death of a little child....

The only part I followed was the announcement of the verdict - but it was hard to avoid hearing at least something about it everyday living down here.

She is one sick girl - and the lawyers who got her off should be ashamed of themselves too.  No victory in getting a murderer - a child murderer off the hook.
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: mecch on July 05, 2011, 06:19:31 pm
I don't believe that the father covered up for an accidental drowning.  I don't believe the father abused her.
But hell, how do we know.

The prosecution didn't make the case.  

I think the parents did what they announced a few weeks ago they wanted to do - spare their daughter -- by making a big confusing mess -- of who did what when.

Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: hope_for_a_cure on July 05, 2011, 06:25:05 pm
Oh yeah, wonder how hopey feels?  He's been an avid follower too.

I had to take an extra xanax (aka Zannie the nanny) when I saw this earlier today.  The peach preserves will just have to wait till tomorrow or Thursday.... just cant pull myself together to make them right now.  Where is my Patron XO Cafe?  

edited to add:  Lee baby, if you are reading this, please get the 'f' out of there and come up to SC for a little visit.  I will make you forget all about those whacked out family members you have been surrounded with for the past few years. 
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: GSOgymrat on July 05, 2011, 06:27:44 pm
I don't even have any idea what this trial is about or who this person is.

I confess I wiki'd "Casey Anthony" last week because I could not view the news websites without that name as a headline. I still don't fully understand the facination with this case compared to all the different child murders that come around. The case of the woman who microwaved her baby seems more shocking.

I assume this video is appropriate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eykLf8b_Vk&feature=fvst
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: mecch on July 05, 2011, 06:42:52 pm
I think the fascination was that this accused baby killer supposedly did it from some sort of narcissistic pathology in which she wanted to live the fast fun life of a young hot babe, and the babY was in the way.  That was the trope.  It didn't shake out too well for the prosecution.  But she has been mighty creepy all along.
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: Jeff G on July 05, 2011, 06:46:20 pm
Its one thing to sit on a jury ( I have ) and to view a trial like this on TV with all the commentary that comes with it . I served on a civil case where we the jury were criticized for our decision but in my heart I know if anyone had been instructed as we had by the judge and heard the evidence were heard they would have been unanimous with the same verdict as we reached so my conscious is clear .

If I had been on that jury I probably would have called it the same way . If the state is going to go for the death penalty then they better have a better case than circumstantial evidence before they can expect a vote to put some one to death .  
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: mecch on July 05, 2011, 06:49:56 pm
I was a juror on a murder trial connected to drugs and gangs in Brooklyn.  We set the hoodlum free. No convincing case was made and though he seemed like a useless character, he was merely the one the Police caught and charged.  There were multiple weapons at the crime scene and everyone had 2-3 colourful alaises.   Zzzzzzzzzzzzz
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: AlanBama on July 05, 2011, 07:31:18 pm
the claim is that this is the first 'big trial' in the age of 'social media'.   So what does that mean?  Seems to me like the jury needed to have seen a video of her committing the crime before they could connect the dots.

I think some juries confuse "reasonable doubt" with "the shadow of any possible doubt".    Everyone there, including those defense attorneys, knew that she killed that child.   They might not have had an exact cause of death....but as Dr. G stated, it was definitely HOMICIDE.
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: wolfter on July 05, 2011, 07:39:42 pm
I had to take an extra xanax (aka Zannie the nanny) when I saw this earlier today.  The peach preserves will just have to wait till tomorrow or Thursday.... just cant pull myself together to make them right now.  Where is my Patron XO Cafe?  

edited to add:  Lee baby, if you are reading this, please get the 'f' out of there and come up to SC for a little visit.  I will make you forget all about those whacked out family members you have been surrounded with for the past few years. 

Aren't you worried Lee Lee might molest you?
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: WillyWump on July 05, 2011, 08:23:13 pm
We've been "OJ'd" again.

I'm shocked. I'm appalled. However under the laws of the greatest nation on Earth she was aquitted by a jury of her peers...and I have to respect that. albeit begrudingly.

But the question I have is...Given that she will  be walking out of the courthouse Thursday, Does she just waltz back into the Anthony home? How does she look her father in the face after ruining his life and throwing him under the bus? What will they say to her? Clearly they are going to ask what really happened to Caylee. What I wouldn't give to be a fly on that wall.

SO, I guess in the end the only person to walk away with any real time (6 days) in this case is the hottie who flipped off the prosecutor in open court. To whit:

(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af308/IwuvPhilly/bart.jpg)
-W

Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: phildinftlaudy on July 05, 2011, 09:33:03 pm
(http://i772.photobucket.com/albums/yy8/phildinftlaudy/261684_246423858703405_100000073783596_1101690_597086_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: klassykitty on July 05, 2011, 10:24:54 pm
If she gets really drunk and confesses later is it double jeopardy?
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: WillyWump on July 05, 2011, 10:26:30 pm
BREAKING NOW BREAKING NOW BREAKING NOW BREAKING NOW BREAKING NOW BREAKING NOW BREAKING NOW


NOAA has issued a Category 5 Nancy Grace Warning for South Florida. Residents are urged to take immediate cover and wait out the destruction.

Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: WillyWump on July 05, 2011, 10:27:53 pm
If she gets really drunk and confesses later is it double jeopardy?


She can walk out of court Thursday turn to the Cameras and say "I murdered my Girl and threw her in a swamp" and no one could do anything. They cannot retry her or even arrest her again if she confesses.
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: drewm on July 05, 2011, 10:58:24 pm
The ONLY possible re-course, and it's a long shot, would be a federal civil rights violation. Under Separate Sovereigns, she could, possibly face a federal charge although without reading more into it, I would not know where to begin.  :'(
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: J.R.E. on July 06, 2011, 12:09:01 am


SO, I guess in the end the only person to walk away with any real time (6 days) in this case is the hottie who flipped off the prosecutor in open court. To whit:

(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af308/IwuvPhilly/bart.jpg)
-W


LOL ,  what was that all about...  Must have had a bet going with some of his TGIF workers :

Flipping the bird;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBlaDS8uxJI


And 6 days in jail:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZldc6A6zro&feature=related



Ray
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: J.R.E. on July 06, 2011, 12:11:41 am
She can walk out of court Thursday turn to the Cameras and say "I murdered my Girl and threw her in a swamp" and no one could do anything.



Of course, that may ruin her chances of working in that day care center job she always wanted...  ::)
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: Hellraiser on July 06, 2011, 02:24:13 am
Regardless of what the case is, she's now a social pariah because whether she did or did not do it everyone believes that she did.  "Hi my name is Casey Anthony and I'd like to apply for a job".  I'm assuming her family will basically disown her, but I didn't follow the case at all.  I have to believe that the burden of proof was not met for the jury to reach a unanimous decision of not guilty.  Love it or hate it that is the way out justice system works.
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: bocker3 on July 06, 2011, 07:41:00 am
  Love it or hate it that is the way out justice system works.

Well, thank you for that civics lessons......

She is not going to need to apply for any jobs -- she is going to cash in on this whole sordid affair.  I expect a book out in time for the Christmas shopping season and a made-for-TV movie by the fall sweeps season.

M
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: Hellraiser on July 06, 2011, 07:44:42 am
Well, thank you for that civics lessons......

She is not going to need to apply for any jobs -- she is going to cash in on this whole sordid affair.  I expect a book out in time for the Christmas shopping season and a made-for-TV movie by the fall sweeps season.

M

You're welcome, most people apparently need to be informed of it because what I've seen post verdict has people shrieking like banshees about the decision the jury came to (unanimously I repeat).
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: BT65 on July 06, 2011, 07:47:19 am
She is not going to need to apply for any jobs -- she is going to cash in on this whole sordid affair.  I expect a book out in time for the Christmas shopping season and a made-for-TV movie by the fall sweeps season.

M

I agree.  I can also see her doing t.v. talk shows, and maybe reality t.v. also.
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: metekrop on July 06, 2011, 07:55:16 am
It is amazing.  This case has completely trashed the American media which always bases itself on biases and prejudice.  All bunches of media people like Nancy Grace and others have been noising consistently for the last three years that this young woman killed her two years old child simply because she was a liar and pursuing abusive way of life. The state persecution didn't present their case plausible.  The jury can’t listen to them, despite.  As the defense attorney put it there is no forensic test, no DNA and no finger print of Casey Anthony in the evidences.   The persecution provides the case with so much of a reasonable doubt. How on earth is that Casey face death penalty?  I will be amazed if they gave her death penalty.  Do they think that all liars and abusive people in this world are criminals?  Sham on them really.  They are jocks.
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: mecch on July 06, 2011, 08:06:07 am
She is not going to need to apply for any jobs -- she is going to cash in on this whole sordid affair.  I expect a book out in time for the Christmas shopping season and a made-for-TV movie by the fall sweeps season.

Perhaps an interview or two but the affair was so sordid I doubt anyone wants to be entertained by her as a wrongly accused victim herself.  And what could she write in a book?  All her crazy fantasies about her own life?  Who wants to read that.

I put my dollar on her 15 minutes being just about up, now.
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: Dachshund on July 06, 2011, 08:47:03 am
Next please. Hopefully a Kardashian murders Bruce Jenner and gets away with it.
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: AlanBama on July 06, 2011, 10:24:06 am
  Do they think that all liars and abusive people in this world are criminals?  Sham on them really.  They are jocks.

No, just the ones who chloroform and duct tape their toddlers faces and throw their bodies in a swamp to rot, after misleading the police for months.

by jocks do you mean jokes?  I don't get it....    I certainly didn't see anything funny about this trial or its outcome.    The taxpayers of the State of FL had a lot of their money wasted, that could have been put to better use.    At least they won't have to 'support' her in prison.   I can certainly see her with a reality show or a book deal (ghost written, of course).   Remember how OJ wrote his book "I Did It", which was a 'hypothetical' scenario for the deaths of his two victims?
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: metekrop on July 06, 2011, 01:56:51 pm
No, just the ones who chloroform and duct tape their toddlers faces and throw their bodies in a swamp to rot, after misleading the police for months.


SO, where is the evidence that Ms. Anthony did that?  Does she lied the police officer and have tattooed Bright Future on her body amount to that she did all of that. The main issue here is to show the EVIDENCE and that is what the jurors taken in.  I mean why the prosecutions miserably fail to show the world that EVIDENCE after spending that whole lot of taxpayers’ resource?
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: Joe K on July 06, 2011, 03:58:50 pm
Well, thank you for that civics lessons......

It's really sad that Civics is no longer taught in school, because most Americans have no clue on how criminal justice is decided. I was on a capital case (murder) jury and the trial lasted almost 7 weeks. Once the trial was over and closing statements were made, we were given "instructions" by the judge. Those "instructions" were very clear on how we could decide the case and depending upon what we agreed was true, which type of crime had been committed and to what degree. There were also times during the trial, when we were instructed to ignore something that was shown or said, sometimes with little explanation. There are also discussions that occur between just the opposing counsel, the jury and judge that are not open to the public.

Since this was a death penalty case, the burden of proof would be substantial. Depending upon the instructions given to the jury, it is plausible that finding just one component missing from the requirement for that particular crime, could be missing, hence a not guilty verdict. I learned a lot about our criminal justice system and the rules that govern it and it is nothing like what you see portrayed on TV. Since we have no concept on how the jury was charged, nor what evidence was presented and accepted, the only people who know the real facts of the case, most probably had to make the decision they did.
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: WillyWump on July 06, 2011, 04:35:07 pm
. Since we have no concept on how the jury was charged, nor what evidence was presented and accepted, the only people who know the real facts of the case, most probably had to make the decision they did.

Excellent points. But the Jury Charge is open records, and was done so before the cameras by Judge Perry. The evidence is also open records and was admitted and accepted or objected to in open court in front of the Tv cameras. We as armchair jurors got to see and hear all the evidence just as the real jurors did, except with some things blurred out.
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: Jeff G on July 06, 2011, 04:46:28 pm
The prosecutor was interviewed this morning on TV and I thought he was arrogant .

I have to admit I'm so anti death penalty my objectivity is not good in cases like this but its my opinion that no cause of death or witnesses to an actual crime is the definition of reasonable doubt .

I think she probably did it though . 
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: Joe K on July 06, 2011, 04:51:25 pm
Excellent points. But the Jury Charge is open records, and was done so before the cameras by Judge Perry. The evidence is also open records and was admitted and accepted or objected to in open court in front of the Tv cameras. We as armchair jurors got to see and hear all the evidence just as the real jurors did, except with some things blurred out.

If all of this was in the open, then even armchair jurors should understand why the jury decided how it did. "Beyond a reasonable doubt" is an incredibly high standard to meet and it only applies to criminal cases. As long as there was "any" possible doubt that Ms. Anthony committed murder, they could not find her guilty, no matter what people may want to happen. In this case, it appears that the defense was much more effective in swaying the jury and planting that "seed of doubt". That's all it takes, as OJ proved many years ago. That's also why he was found "liable" for those deaths, in civil court, because the burden of proof is much lower than in criminal. In his case "it was more likely than not, that he committed the crime" and was therefore civilly liable for damages.
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: drewm on July 06, 2011, 04:57:04 pm
Beyond a reasonable doubt is not the same as based on the preponderance of the evidence. The State of Florida, in my opinion, set itself up for failure by setting the bar so high. Regardless of what we all think we know, the facts of the case are mired in discovered remains, a lack of any solid, credible evidence as to a cause of death or the mode of death and no DNA or anything else linking Casey Anthony to the scene of the crime. The case was purely circumstantial. Some cases have been won with more and some with less evidence that what was presented in Florida. At the end of the day, 12 people were asked to consider the evidence they heard and be bound by the rule of law and the decision, no matter how ugly, was just.
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: Joe K on July 06, 2011, 05:05:45 pm
I think she probably did it though . 

I'm sure she did it as no other explanation makes any sense. The presence of chloroform and duct tape is just not consistent with an accidental drowning. I'm waiting for the announcement that the family had a huge life insurance policy, to cover this "horrible" tragedy.
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: WillyWump on July 06, 2011, 05:09:21 pm
If all of this was in the open, then even armchair jurors should understand why the jury decided how it did. "Beyond a reasonable doubt" is an incredibly high standard to meet and it only applies to criminal cases. As long as there was "any" possible doubt that Ms. Anthony committed murder, they could not find her guilty, no matter what people may want to happen. In this case, it appears that the defense was much more effective in swaying the jury and planting that "seed of doubt". That's all it takes, as OJ proved many years ago. That's also why he was found "liable" for those deaths, in civil court, because the burden of proof is much lower than in criminal. In his case "it was more likely than not, that he committed the crime" and was therefore civilly liable for damages.

Reasonable doubt does not equal absolute certainty.

 I totally understand how a jury could come back with an aquittal in this case based on the evidence presented. Doesn't mean I think she is innocent.

Something to watch here, if any of the jurors decide to speak I think you will find that they too believe she was involved somehow, but based on the evidence and rule of law could not find her guilty.

-W
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: bocker3 on July 06, 2011, 06:44:01 pm
I was not overly shocked over the Not Guilty for murder (hard to convict when no one could even give a cause of death) -- but I can't wrap my around the Not Guilty on child neglect.  Not doing anything or reporting a missing 2 year old for 31 fucking days stikes me as the definition of neglect!!!  I simply don't get that verdict at all.

Of course -- she may have known exactly where her daughter's body was..............

Mike
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: Matty the Damned on July 06, 2011, 08:23:19 pm
Yeah, I first heard about this when it made the news down here yesterday. Bet that jury wouldn't have been so merciful if the wench was black.

Shameless flamebaiting to one side, I wonder why this hasn't attracted more attention? (http://www.alternet.org/reproductivejustice/151508/15-year-old_girl_faces_life_in_prison_for_a_miscarriage_why_conservatives_are_criminalizing_pregnant_women/)

MtD
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: Jeff G on July 06, 2011, 08:30:48 pm
Yeah, I first heard about this when it made the news down here yesterday. Bet that jury wouldn't have been so merciful if the wench was black.

Shameless flamebaiting to one side, I wonder why this hasn't attracted more attention? (http://www.alternet.org/reproductivejustice/151508/15-year-old_girl_faces_life_in_prison_for_a_miscarriage_why_conservatives_are_criminalizing_pregnant_women/)

MtD

This is true and yet one more reason why I deplore the death penalty .
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: anniebc on July 06, 2011, 08:31:44 pm
Yeah, I first heard about this when it made the news down here yesterday. Bet that jury wouldn't have been so merciful if the wench was black.

Shameless flamebaiting to one side, I wonder why this hasn't attracted more attention? (http://www.alternet.org/reproductivejustice/151508/15-year-old_girl_faces_life_in_prison_for_a_miscarriage_why_conservatives_are_criminalizing_pregnant_women/)

MtD

The whole bloody world has gone mad..especially the justice system.

Aroha
Jan :-*
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: GSOgymrat on July 06, 2011, 09:53:34 pm
I hadn't heard out this case. How completely outrageous. Honestly I don't understand why some people care about the life of a fetus more than the life of an adult.

This is true and yet one more reason why I deplore the death penalty .

It is a mandatory life sentence. I don't see the death penalty connection.
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: Jeff G on July 06, 2011, 10:00:22 pm
It is a mandatory life sentence. I don't see the death penalty connection.

I was commenting on Matty's nod to race and lack of merciful sentences handed down by judges and jury's alike in this country . I should have been more clear . 
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: Jody on July 06, 2011, 10:08:54 pm
Hey Jan, what do you mean the world has gone mad?  Just because a mother probably kills her child accidentally and instead of reporting it immediately so professional help can come she waits 30 days and then gets tattoos on her back that say Beautiful Life in Latin and then the child's remains are found dumped like garbage in a swamp you think the world is a little nutty? And as bocker says if that is not negligent than what the hell is?

Yes Jan, as H.L. Mencken, I believe once said: "The law is a ass."

Jody :(
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: Dennis on July 06, 2011, 11:00:28 pm
Well, thank you for that civics lessons......

She is not going to need to apply for any jobs -- she is going to cash in on this whole sordid affair.  I expect a book out in time for the Christmas shopping season and a made-for-TV movie by the fall sweeps season.

M

And don't forget next seasons Dancing with the Stars!
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: edfu on July 07, 2011, 04:49:45 am
Yes Jan, as H.L. Mencken, I believe once said: "The law is a ass."

Charles Dickens's character Mr. Bumble said it, in Oliver Twist.

Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: J.R.E. on July 07, 2011, 08:20:36 am
I spoke with a CNA at work a couple of hours ago. She has a friend that served on that jury.  The friend told her, we all thought she was guilty, but the state did not have the evidence to convict.

Meanwhile, this juror had two Pinellas county sheriff officers watching her property, and protecting her,because of threats made to her.

Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: GSOgymrat on July 07, 2011, 08:56:35 am
(http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd452/gsogymrat/8664e0fd.jpg)
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: J.R.E. on July 07, 2011, 08:57:03 am
And to add to my post above, another juror speaks:


http://www.baynews9.com/article/news/2011/july/275214/Another-Casey-trial-juror-talks



PINELLAS COUNTY --

Another Casey Anthony juror is speaking out.

Juror No. 2 spoke exclusively with Bay News 9's partner newspaper the St. Petersburg Times on Wednesday. The juror spoke on the condition his identity not be revelaed.

"Everybody agreed if we were going fully on feelings and emotions," the juror said, "She was done."

He said the jury focused on the evidence that was presented.

"I wish we had more evidence to put her away. I truly do...But it wasn't there."

The juror's comments come on the heels of another juror, Jennifer Ford, who spoke with ABC News about her experience during the case.

"I did not say she was innocent," according to an article posted on the network's website Wednesday. She adds, "I just said there was not enough evidence."

Ford says she and other jurors cried and were "sick to our stomach" after voting Tuesday to acquit the 25-year-old Anthony of murder. Ford says that's why jurors didn't want to face the media right away.
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: J.R.E. on July 07, 2011, 09:08:19 am


Live coverage for those interested>;


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/
Title: "Perfect Murder?"
Post by: sorryass on July 07, 2011, 11:10:47 am
Did Casey Anthony commit the Perfect Murder?  Good grief, the bimbo who googled neck breaking, chlorophorm, weapons, etc.  I want to have her as my neighbour, when she gets out.  She can babysit my niece's children. What kind of kangaroo court lets a child murderer go free?!!!
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: Ann on July 07, 2011, 11:27:33 am
sorryass,

I merged your new thread with the already existing thread about the Casey Anthony murder trial.

Ann
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: AlanBama on July 07, 2011, 11:35:43 am
They knew she was guilty, but the evidence did not support a verdict of "guilty", and since "not innocent" is not a choice, she was found not guilty.    I understand that the jury was charged with some complicated and detailed instructions on how they must judge the evidence presented, and I'm sure this is what resulted in the "not guilty" verdict -- no cause of death, no DNA.   I think it's the "CSI Effect"   -- juries now need and expect to see undeniable proof of EVERYTHING.

What I DO NOT understand is why they let her off on the lesser charges....there were other choices they could have made....even manslaughter of a child, or murder in a lesser degree.....and certainly do not understand how they found her not guilty of aggravated child abuse.

I watched Marcia Clark last night, and she stated that this verdict was "worse" than the OJ verdict, and she listed several reasons why she thought so.   It's all been very interesting, to say the least.

I see Casey Anthony sort of like Joran Van Der Sloot, in the Natalee Holloway case....they knew he was involved (guilty) but released him; he went on to kill again.  She may do the same.

edited for typo, OOPS
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: drewm on July 07, 2011, 12:01:03 pm
They knew she was guilty, but the evidence did not support a verdict of "guilty", and since "not innocent" is not a choice, she was found not guilty.    I understand that the jury was charged with some complicated and detailed instructions on how they must judge the evidence presented, and I'm sure this is what resulted in the "not guilty" verdict -- no cause of death, no DNA.   I think it's the "CSI Effect"   -- juries now need and expect to see undeniable proof of EVERYTHING.

What I DO NOT understand is why they let her off on the lesser charges....there were other choices they could have made....even manslaughter of a child, or muder in a lesser degree.....and certainly do not understand how they found her not guilty of aggravated child abuse.

I watched Marcia Clark last night, and she stated that this verdict was "worse" than the OJ verdict, and she listed several reasons why she thought so.   It's all been very interesting, to say the least.

I see Casey Anthony sort of like Joran Van Der Sloot, in the Natalee Holloway case....they knew he was involved (guilty) but released him; he went on to kill again.  She may do the same.


Alan, interesting post! I am also at a loss to understand why they did not convict on a lesser charge. I am not convinced this jury understood it's collective 'job.' Here is a VERY interesting read of the jury instructions.

http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/04/jury-instructions-in-the-casey-anthony-trial/

Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: AlanBama on July 07, 2011, 12:10:53 pm
AGGRAVATED CHILD ABUSE

§ 827.03(2), Fla. Stat.

To prove the crime of Aggravated Child Abuse, the State must prove the following two elements beyond a reasonable doubt:

1. Casey Marie Anthony knowingly or willfully committed child abuse upon Caylee

Marie Anthony and in so doing caused great bodily harm, permanent disability, or permanent disfigurement.

2. Caylee Marie Anthony was under the age of eighteen years.

“Willfully” means intentionally, knowingly and purposely.

“Child abuse” means the intentional infliction of physical or mental injury upon a child or an intentional act that could reasonably be expected to result in physical or mental injury to a child or active encouragement of any person to commit an act that results or could reasonably be expected to result in physical or mental injury to a child.
________________________________________

I suppose that the jury bought her story of an 'accidental drowning';  therefore, Caylee was dead when Casey lied to the police, and not reporting it was not considered child abuse.   Crazy, isn't it?
I think if I had been on the jury, I could have determined that (1) if the child drowned in the pool as she stated (which I do not believe for one second) that (2) not calling 911, which possibly could have saved her life, was child abuse.....I think the jury was tired, sick of being sequestered, and wanted to go home.  I get that, 100%.   I think some or all of them will live to regret their 'brief' (maybe too brief?) deliberations....
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: drewm on July 07, 2011, 12:53:12 pm
From what I can discern from what has been said, the jury never moved beyond Murder 1. They never even considered the lesser charges. The juror who was on ABC said they could not find the evidence to support the death penalty. I am paraphrasing but in essence, once they could not support Murder 1, they shut down and went for not guilty on all counts. Two things are becoming more evident, IMHO, the first is the State of Florida set the bar too high for a Murder 1. That is something almost everyone agrees on. The second is that the jury disregarded all of the lesser charges and for whatever reason never applied the evidence to the lesser charges which should have resulted in a conviction.

This is the beauty and fallacy of the jury system though. Cases have been won and lost with less evidence than what was presented.
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: mecch on July 07, 2011, 02:20:29 pm
If they could have convicted for something other than Murder 1, then they should have.  Wasn't there any evidence that the girl was never in Tampa, never with any identified nanny, and in fact Casey didn't report a missing daughter for weeks.  This is definitely child abuse. 
What the fuck happened??

Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: drewm on July 07, 2011, 02:59:48 pm
If they could have convicted for something other than Murder 1, then they should have.  Wasn't there any evidence that the girl was never in Tampa, never with any identified nanny, and in fact Casey didn't report a missing daughter for weeks.  This is definitely child abuse. 
What the fuck happened??



For whatever reason the jury seems to have considered Murder 1 and stopped there. They never considered the other (lesser) charges and no one knows why...
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: mecch on July 07, 2011, 03:09:26 pm
Well then they are losers, or stupid.   Or, the judge confused them in instructions. 
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: drewm on July 07, 2011, 03:43:17 pm
Well then they are losers, or stupid.   Or, the judge confused them in instructions. 

Or perhaps a combination. I posted the jury instructions in a previous post. They were lengthy but pretty explicit. I wonder of they tuned out and simply didn't pay attention.
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: mecch on July 07, 2011, 04:18:12 pm
I dunno.  Mystery.  I served on a jury for a murder and my experience was that collectively there was enough intelligence to do right.  I thought everyone contributed relevant, valid input.  But I guess juries differ and maybe there is the fatigue factor.  Mystery.
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: Ann on July 07, 2011, 06:06:13 pm
Regardless of what verdict the jury returned, the child is still dead.

A miscarriage of justice? Most certainly. Will any verdict bring the child back?

No.

Maybe the next time she kills - emboldened by this recent verdict - maybe - just maybe, she'll get what is due to her. As I am a firm believer in Karma, her ass is gonna fry regardless.
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: drewm on July 07, 2011, 06:25:11 pm
Regardless of what verdict the jury returned, the child is still dead.

A miscarriage of justice? Most certainly. Will any verdict bring the child back?

No.

Maybe the next time she kills - emboldened by this recent verdict - maybe - just maybe, she'll get what is due to her. As I am a firm believer in Karma, her ass is gonna fry regardless.

Karma...reaping what one sews...I absolutely agree Ann. She will get hers, one way or another.
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: Joe K on July 07, 2011, 06:52:39 pm
Thanks for posting the jury instructions Drewm and obviously they did not understand the instructions. They had the ability to return a verdict on each and every count and just because they found her "not guilty" on one count, did not prevent them from finding her "guilty" on the other counts. Something tells me the judge is pulling their hair out, because this jury really screwed up.

As far as Cassey is concerned, consider that she murdered her own child. No matter how heartless she may think she is, eventually she will be haunted by her heinous deed for the rest of her life. May she live to 100.
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: mecch on July 07, 2011, 08:00:11 pm
If she is insane she isn't and won't be haunted by her acts.  Her behavior in the month after her child "went missing" suggest severe personality disorder.  She would have to be treated, to feel accountability.

edited - well some sort of personality disorder.  But if her state drove her to murder, I guess we could say severe.  

It seems she would only have gotten treatment on a manslaughter charge.  I don't think people on death row get therapy...   It's only for the criminally insane, right?
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: karry on July 07, 2011, 09:08:30 pm
I dont want to steal the thread or start a new one, given the topic is similar....Here in Quebec, Canada, we are also afraid Dr Guy Turcotte will go free after murdering his two kids

http://www.montrealgazette.com/health/Weight+father+woes+killing+children+psychiatrist/4878205/story.html

Is it a new mode?
k.
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: drewm on July 07, 2011, 09:17:39 pm
If she is insane she isn't and won't be haunted by her acts.  Her behavior in the month after her child "went missing" suggest severe personality disorder.  She would have to be treated, to feel accountability.

edited - well some sort of personality disorder.  But if her state drove her to murder, I guess we could say severe.  

It seems she would only have gotten treatment on a manslaughter charge.  I don't think people on death row get therapy...   It's only for the criminally insane, right?

That is correct. In the United States, the execution of the criminally insane is not allowed...
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: AlanBama on July 11, 2011, 03:40:40 pm
OK so she is to be released next Sunday....so where will she go?  what will she do?   Her first interview will be a good paycheck for her, I suppose....wonder who it will be with?  Would anyone legit want to interview her?

HLN keeps the saga ongoing, it's about all they focus on.   I'm ready to move past it....yes, it's a travesty, but there's not a whole lot we can do about it now.   I'd hate to be one of those jurors....
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: thunter34 on July 11, 2011, 03:56:38 pm
OK so she is to be released next Sunday....so where will she go?  what will she do?   Her first interview will be a good paycheck for her, I suppose....wonder who it will be with?  Would anyone legit want to interview her?

HLN keeps the saga ongoing, it's about all they focus on.   I'm ready to move past it....yes, it's a travesty, but there's not a whole lot we can do about it now.   I'd hate to be one of those jurors....

No shit.  There are reports that some of them are gettng death threats.  How's that for ya?  "We want justice for Caylee's senseless death by causing your's!"

Oh, and Barbra please....EVERYBODY will clammor to interview her. 

Cash is always legit.
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: Jeff G on July 11, 2011, 04:15:57 pm
Oh, and Barbra please....EVERYBODY will clammor to interview her. 



And I hate to admit I will probably watch it .... don't judge me  :D
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: drewm on July 11, 2011, 04:58:39 pm
 Her first interview will be a good paycheck for her, I suppose....wonder who it will be with?  Would anyone legit want to interview her?

I am pretty sure she won't be getting interviewed by Nancy Grace. My guess is Barbara Walters will land the interview.
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: thunter34 on July 11, 2011, 05:10:34 pm
I am pretty sure she won't be getting interviewed by Nancy Grace. My guess is Barbara Walters will land the interview.

And only now does the loss of Oprah become real to me.
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: Ann on July 11, 2011, 08:41:28 pm
And people wonder why other nations think Americans are totally nuts. Don't forget that I'm a Yank myself, unfortunately. I just have a different perspective. Thank goodness I married a lad from Lancashire.
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: phildinftlaudy on July 11, 2011, 08:46:50 pm
And to show you that the family's quest for money has begun - Casey's mother met with a wealth management advisor today - speculating rumor that she has signed a book, interview, or movie deal.
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: ademas on July 12, 2011, 08:10:50 pm
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Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: emeraldize on July 12, 2011, 08:17:25 pm
"That's right." said Casey, "First, I'm gonna put duct tape on your dick, or, uh, is that dick tape on your duct? I get so confused."
Title: Re: Casey Anthony = Not Guilty
Post by: OneTampa on July 13, 2011, 05:20:16 pm
The black guy named Casey Anthony is catching it:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2014458/Casey-Anthony-Pennsylvania-gets-bombarded-Facebook-murderer-abuse.html